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Navy Reserve
Posted on Apr 11, 2025
Does my TIR and TIS count when in another branch component?
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Hello all, I have recently joined the Navy reserve in january of this year. I came in as an E4 which is what I separated from the Army as in 2019. I am wondering if my TIR and TIS would count towards my E5 eligibility for the upcoming navy advancement exam? If so, does anyone have a reference to support this? Thank you everyone.
Navy Reserve
Posted 1 mo ago
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** UPDATE to prior answer below **
TIS counts regardless of what branch or component of the military you are in. As long as it is creditable 'good time', then it applies.
As for the TIG/TIR, you'll have to look at your enlistment paperwork when you joined the Navy. Part of the enlistment process of a Prior Service individual will involve going through a grade determination and the establishment of a new date of rank (the guidance from DoD is to try and maintain the same rank and DOR, but the gaining service has to make the determination).
** UPDATE **
While the above is correct, I looked a bit into the Navy's latest information (BUPERSINT 1430.16G Ch1*) for promotion requirements for E-5 (such as schools required, etc.) and Time-In-Rate information. According to Chapter 2 (Eligibility Requirements), Section 214(c)(3):
"Other service veterans (OSVETs) entering naval service in the same paygrade held in other service will be credited TIR held in prior service. Compute and record adjusted TIR on NAVPERS"
So, when your grade determination was done at enlistment, you should have been credited with the time you spent as an E-4 in the Army.
Recommend that you read through the instruction if you haven't already as there are additional requirements that apply to all Sailors in a paygrade as well as others depending on the rating designation (much like the Army).
For example, in addition to meeting your TIR requirements to E5 (12 months), you would have to complete the required leadership courses (PO2SLC Phase 1) in order to be frocked/advanced as a PO2. If you attended BLC while in the Army, you should get credit for PO2SLC.
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REF: DoD Financial Management Regulation, Volume 7A, Chapter 1: Creditable Service - https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/archive/07aarch/07a_01_200202.pdf
* Bureau of Naval Personnel Instruction 1430.16G with Change 1 (BUPERSINT 1430.16G Ch1) - Advancement Manual for Enlisted Personnel of the U.S. Navy and U.S. Navy Reserve - https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Reference/Instructions/BUPERS/BUPERSINST%201430.16.pdf?ver=11P7X09h2Dm3s3RmSrCWyQ%3d%3d
TIS counts regardless of what branch or component of the military you are in. As long as it is creditable 'good time', then it applies.
As for the TIG/TIR, you'll have to look at your enlistment paperwork when you joined the Navy. Part of the enlistment process of a Prior Service individual will involve going through a grade determination and the establishment of a new date of rank (the guidance from DoD is to try and maintain the same rank and DOR, but the gaining service has to make the determination).
** UPDATE **
While the above is correct, I looked a bit into the Navy's latest information (BUPERSINT 1430.16G Ch1*) for promotion requirements for E-5 (such as schools required, etc.) and Time-In-Rate information. According to Chapter 2 (Eligibility Requirements), Section 214(c)(3):
"Other service veterans (OSVETs) entering naval service in the same paygrade held in other service will be credited TIR held in prior service. Compute and record adjusted TIR on NAVPERS"
So, when your grade determination was done at enlistment, you should have been credited with the time you spent as an E-4 in the Army.
Recommend that you read through the instruction if you haven't already as there are additional requirements that apply to all Sailors in a paygrade as well as others depending on the rating designation (much like the Army).
For example, in addition to meeting your TIR requirements to E5 (12 months), you would have to complete the required leadership courses (PO2SLC Phase 1) in order to be frocked/advanced as a PO2. If you attended BLC while in the Army, you should get credit for PO2SLC.
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REF: DoD Financial Management Regulation, Volume 7A, Chapter 1: Creditable Service - https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/archive/07aarch/07a_01_200202.pdf
* Bureau of Naval Personnel Instruction 1430.16G with Change 1 (BUPERSINT 1430.16G Ch1) - Advancement Manual for Enlisted Personnel of the U.S. Navy and U.S. Navy Reserve - https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Reference/Instructions/BUPERS/BUPERSINST%201430.16.pdf?ver=11P7X09h2Dm3s3RmSrCWyQ%3d%3d
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